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Confusing Questions from our discussion on the Guide Chat 4 months 4 days ago #126572

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Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?
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BookwormJo wrote:
Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?
...I've given my answers.
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BookwormJo wrote:
Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?

My mother said that animal don’t have free will, but rather follow their instincts. Angels have free will, if they didn’t, We wouldn’t have Satan. The third.. I’ll wait ‘till tomorrow.
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BookwormJo wrote:
Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?

My mother said that animal don’t have free will, but rather follow their instincts. Angels have free will, if they didn’t, We wouldn’t have Satan. The third.. I’ll wait ‘till tomorrow.
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BookwormJo wrote:
Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?
...I've given my answers.
Yeah, I was just throwing the questions out there for different perspectives.
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Other questions that were raised:

What does it mean to have a relationship with God?
What exactly is faith?
What's 2-way communication with God?
What is worship, and do you guys think it's important?
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Wow, that was a lot of questions :silly: :lol:
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Yikes, don't know if I can answer these questions
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Yikes, don't know if I can answer these questions
I guess only God has all the answers
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BookwormJo wrote:
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Yikes, don't know if I can answer these questions
I guess only God has all the answers
I mean, I guess some people know the answers to some of those questions..but I don't, lol
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Confusing Questions from our discussion on the Guide Chat 3 months 4 weeks ago #126752

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Well I know the answers to to all of them! And I actually recently learned why God lets people suffer! I learned it from a podcast that we always listen to on the sabbath and from my mom also at church! God doesn't make bad things happen to us! But he does let bad things happen, He can stop bad things from happening to us but sometimes he chooses to let those things happen to us! To teach us an important lesson or to help us grow! Like what I was saying is that he can stop bad things happening to us like for an example. A car accident say the person was drinking! And a family in another car got hit! God loves us and has so much respect for us that he gives us free will! He doesn't force us to do what he wants! Sometimes and i'm not gonna lie I wonder why he does that to have so much respect! But I guess I'll never know! I hope this makes sense! You just have to trust God that he knows whats best- (and lol sorry If I added the word (happen) in way to much) But you should also ask your parents about this they can probably explain it better!
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JoyBaker wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
BookwormJo wrote:
Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?

My mother said that animal don’t have free will, but rather follow their instincts. Angels have free will, if they didn’t, We wouldn’t have Satan. The third.. I’ll wait ‘till tomorrow.
I agree!
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Confusing Questions from our discussion on the Guide Chat 3 months 4 weeks ago #126762

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ItzPeachy_Lemon wrote:
Well I know the answers to to all of them! And I actually recently learned why God lets people suffer! I learned it from a podcast that we always listen to on the sabbath and from my mom also at church! God doesn't make bad things happen to us! But he does let bad things happen, He can stop bad things from happening to us but sometimes he chooses to let those things happen to us! To teach us an important lesson or to help us grow! Like what I was saying is that he can stop bad things happening to us like for an example. A car accident say the person was drinking! And a family in another car got hit! God loves us and has so much respect for us that he gives us free will! He doesn't force us to do what he wants! Sometimes and i'm not gonna lie I wonder why he does that to have so much respect! But I guess I'll never know! I hope this makes sense! You just have to trust God that he knows whats best- (and lol sorry If I added the word (happen) in way to much) But you should also ask your parents about this they can probably explain it better!
That's the general consensus.
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Confusing Questions from our discussion on the Guide Chat 3 months 4 weeks ago #126778

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BookwormJo wrote:
Do animals have free will?
Did angels have free will?
What would you say to someone who wants to know why God lets good people suffer?

1. Regarding the first question, God placed us as humans in dominion over the animals.

Genesis 1:26 KJV
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

According to the dictionary, dominion means sovereignty or control which would mean God placed us in control over all animals but then you ask if animals have free will. Free will means "the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion", or simply, "voluntary choice or decision". It's the ability to make a decision and being able to determine right from wrong as well. You see, animals are dichotomous beings, they have bodies and a soul that gives them consciousness but consciousness as we do. We are conscious of the difference between evil and good. They aren't able to determine/differentiate between right/wrong so they don't have free will.

2. Regarding the second question, I think angels have free will because the devil was initially Lucifer and 2.it was through his own 'free will', he became jealous of God, resulting in the whole 'revolution' and him being thrown out, along with 1/3 of the angels whom he negatively influenced and becoming Satan. His free will and 'delusional' dreams led to him believing he could exalt himself above God.

Isaiah 14: 12-14 KJV
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

3. Regarding the last question, I like to say, the devil will call 'foul' (meaning in this case, contrary to the rules or unfairly) if sin doesn't run it's course. First off, sin entered the world because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 3:9-24) We suffer because it is the consequence for our wrong actions but, personally, I believe, at least from what I've learned, heard and studied in life, good people suffer as a way of testing their faith.

2 Timothy 3:12 KJV
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Matthew 5: 10-12 KJV
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

I mean, if we weren't going through some tough times, we wouldn't really be able to see if our faith is as strong as we think it is because some people believe that their faith is strong but when they fall on their hard times, they 'fail' and give in, if you get what I'm saying. So I just think God is testing his people when good people go through hard times.

Then again, who is a 'good' person. " For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV

Technically speaking, their aren't really any good people.

Mark 10:18
"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."
(Make sure you read the rest of the chapter so you don't get led astray.)

Yeah, that was my 2 cents. (Sorry HRgreat/p4e or which mod is posting this)
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ItzPeachy_Lemon wrote:
Well I know the answers to to all of them! And I actually recently learned why God lets people suffer! I learned it from a podcast that we always listen to on the sabbath and from my mom also at church! God doesn't make bad things happen to us! But he does let bad things happen, He can stop bad things from happening to us but sometimes he chooses to let those things happen to us! To teach us an important lesson or to help us grow! Like what I was saying is that he can stop bad things happening to us like for an example. A car accident say the person was drinking! And a family in another car got hit! God loves us and has so much respect for us that he gives us free will! He doesn't force us to do what he wants! Sometimes and i'm not gonna lie I wonder why he does that to have so much respect! But I guess I'll never know! I hope this makes sense! You just have to trust God that he knows whats best- (and lol sorry If I added the word (happen) in way to much) But you should also ask your parents about this they can probably explain it better!
You say you know all the answers to them, yet you "wonder why he does that to have so much respect." On top of that, you only answered two of the several questions. Not all knowledge is attainable.
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Confusing Questions from our discussion on the Guide Chat 3 months 3 weeks ago #126833

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Great replies guys!
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
She's been practicing.
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
I'm afraid I noticed some inconsistencies in her reply.

A lack of conciousness between right or wrong does not eliminate free will. However, it somewhat limits it. Animals do have free will, but it is limited by their instincts, lack of moral recognition, lowly status, and limited intelligence.

Angels, as you have correctly stated, do have free will. But again, that free will has it's limits, or more specifically, just one. The Godhead. If you remember, Satan had to ask God for permission to harass Job. And the demons had to ask Jesus for mercy and to be relocated into swine.

There are several issues with your third answer. Firstly, the person's definition of "good" in this hypothetical scenario is actually "innocent". Thus, rendering the Romans and Matthew texts useless. However, you can throw those texts at them first to catch them off guard, but they might change "good" to "innocent" after you give them that response. That aside, the most Biblically correct answer is that the innocent suffers for the glory of God. Recall the healing of the blind beggar that was unable to see from his birth. Of course, that answer is the one of the most unsatisfactory answers to that question. The best thing to do is to admit that you don't have all the answers and say that all you and they can do is trust God in a very elaborate manner, to make them lose focus on their unanswerable question.
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Um....the Romans and Matthews texts were used for me to express an opinion I had in mind. They weren't being used to add to the questions being discussed.
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
I'm afraid I noticed some inconsistencies in her reply.

A lack of conciousness between right or wrong does not eliminate free will. However, it somewhat limits it. Animals do have free will, but it is limited by their instincts, lack of moral recognition, lowly status, and limited intelligence.

Angels, as you have correctly stated, do have free will. But again, that free will has it's limits, or more specifically, just one. The Godhead. If you remember, Satan had to ask God for permission to harass Job. And the demons had to ask Jesus for mercy and to be relocated into swine.

There are several issues with your third answer. Firstly, the person's definition of "good" in this hypothetical scenario is actually "innocent". Thus, rendering the Romans and Matthew texts useless. However, you can throw those texts at them first to catch them off guard, but they might change "good" to "innocent" after you give them that response. That aside, the most Biblically correct answer is that the innocent suffers for the glory of God. Recall the healing of the blind beggar that was unable to see from his birth. Of course, that answer is the one of the most unsatisfactory answers to that question. The best thing to do is to admit that you don't have all the answers and say that all you and they can do is trust God in a very elaborate manner, to make them lose focus on their unanswerable question.
Um....I don't see where you've pointed out any inconsiatencies, all you've done is add to my 'arguments'.
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
She's been practicing.
Um...no I haven't been. I just stated an opinion along with my sources. What's there to practise lol?
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
She's been practicing.
Um...no I haven't been. I just stated an opinion along with my sources. What's there to practise?
Oh well then...
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Of course, that answer is the one of the most unsatisfactory answers to that question. The best thing to do is to admit that you don't have all the answers and say that all you and they can do is trust God in a very elaborate manner, to make them lose focus on their unanswerable question.
Lol, that kinda sounds like we're trying to brainwash or blindside others.
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Alyssa4Jesus wrote:
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Wow, Alyssa, I like how your reply was detailed and used Biblical evidence. Thumbs-up!
She's been practicing.
Um...no I haven't been. I just stated an opinion along with my sources. What's there to practise lol?
That's pretty much a veiled compliment from Khriz :lol: :P
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