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Poll: Hell/ Lake of Fire

Eternal torment 4 16%
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TOPIC: Hell

Hell 4 years 5 months ago #89954

Hey guys, I know the church says hell isn't eternally burning, however, I've been doing a lot of Bible study, and something doesn't seem to be adding up. What do you think? Is it eternally burning, or lasts only a short time?
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Hell 4 years 5 months ago #89957

Maybe if you could explain what's not adding up? Because I like to look at stuff from all angles before I answer a question, and I don't want to answer from my biased point of view. :)
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Hell 4 years 5 months ago #89959

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And a few other verses I can't remember.
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And a few other verses I can't remember.
Now maybe this isn't really the answer you were looking for, but I've always seen that verse to mean that the consequence will last forever.
Like for instance, when my dad was younger, him and my uncle would always fight over the controller. After all, whoever had the controller had the power. They began fighting over it again. All of the sudden they heard the footsteps of their dad. He stormed in, grabbed the controller, and smashed it into the wall. The affects were eternal. Is he still throwing that controller over and over again? No.
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Here are a few verses that maybe you could use to compare the eternal hell with the temporal one.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
[7]And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8]In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9]Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10]When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Malachi 4:1-3
[1]For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up[/u], saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[2]But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3]And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Romans 6:23
[23]For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (If the wages of sin is death, and the gift of God is eternal life, then why would God give eternal life to those who have rejected His gift, even if that eternal life if spent in a lake of fire?)

Hopefully those will help in your study. :side:


And Idk why that last part is all underlined but I don't feel like fixing it :silly:
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And a few other verses I can't remember.

The way I interpret that verse, it says the smoke of their torment, almost implying that the consequence of that end fire will be eternal. And it is, in a way--you'll never live again after being burned in Short Hell™. And that was wonderfully stated by LolingforJesus.

It also seems kind of cruel of God, to burn those who don't love Him forever. Almost makes you want to serve Him in fear...
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pathfinder4ever wrote:
It's neither :whistle:
Wait, how is it neither? :huh:

@CLUR As LolingForJesus has already said, it is eternal punishment, not eternal punishing. In other words, the consequences last forever, while the fire does not. As BT has said, it would make you serve God in fear if there was an eternal hell.

Y'know, it's just a thought, but what if the verse in Revelation 14:11 (the second part) is talking about the lives of those who worship the beast and his image? In other words, they don't have peace while they live because they cannot have peace apart from God.

Apart from all the verses in the Bible that speak about this subject, there is a quote in the Spirit of Prophecy that says, paraphrased, "All heaven and earth joins in praising God, and there is not one discordant note in the entire universe." How can there be an eternally burning hellfire, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, when there will be no discordant note in the entire universe?

Also, God promises to make an end of sin, right? In that case, there can be no eternally burning hellfire, because while it's still burning, there'll be people in there, and they are sinful (they wouldn't be in hell otherwise). Here's the converse of that statement. If there is an eternally burning hellfire, God cannot make an end to sin because there'll always be sinners burning in hell.
1 Corinthians 15:10
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Quirky wrote:
Here are a few verses that maybe you could use to compare the eternal hell with the temporal one.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
[7]And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8]In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9]Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10]When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Malachi 4:1-3
[1]For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up[/u], saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[2]But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3]And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Romans 6:23
[23]For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (If the wages of sin is death, and the gift of God is eternal life, then why would God give eternal life to those who have rejected His gift, even if that eternal life if spent in a lake of fire?)

Hopefully those will help in your study. :side:


And Idk why that last part is all underlined but I don't feel like fixing it :silly:
Like Quirky said, if hell was eternal, then the people who never accepted God would never die, there would always be sin, and the Bible would be wrong.

But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up on wings like eagles,
They will run and not grow weary,
They will walk and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31 :)
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bush possum wrote:
pathfinder4ever wrote:
It's neither :whistle:


Y'know, it's just a thought, but what if the verse in Revelation 14:11 (the second part) is talking about the lives of those who worship the beast and his image? In other words, they don't have peace while they live because they cannot have peace apart from God.

Thats what I was thinking too, like its talking about the present state of those who receive the mark of the beast. I mean, they're the ones that have to suffer the plagues along with whatever Satan chooses to terrorize them with, right?
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Hell 4 years 3 months ago #91594

What about Isaiah 66:24? "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
What about Isaiah 66:24? "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

Well, God is a fiery being, and He never changes, so the fire that consumed them will never be quenched (praise the Good Lord for that!).
If the worm is literal, then maybe it's because after sin has been consumed off the earth all creation will be recreated to how it was before sin came in? So worms won't be eating decomposing matter afterwards, and they might not have to die because, I mean, how guilty is a worm? :dry: :lol:
Hope this helps!
Good on you for being honest about your questions, btw!
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain;
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
What about Isaiah 66:24? "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."
Not really sure about the worm (what does that even mean :dry: do they have a pet worm?)...
However, the fire won't be put out. It won't be quenched by a thousand firefighter trucks, or all the ocean being dumped on it.
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I agree with what a lot of you guys are saying (I didn't read them all :whistle: )
I wanted to add one more thing:
Jude 1:7 "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
Obviously Sodom and Gomorrah are not still burning, but they suffered the punishment of the eternal fire. For me, this is one of the evidences that I lean towards when I am explaining it to someone else. One thing to remember, that even though we can always trust what the bible says, it is still limited to our human vocabulary. We can't expect the bible to be so clear cut, and it it is important to always study with an open heart and the blessing of the Holy Spirit. Without that, we will never have the truth. I hope this helps. :)
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Guys think about this(Those who think Hell is Eternal), if Hell is eternal torment or there for ever and hell is on earth so will the new Jerusalem be in the middle of a lake of fire? Ah got yah B)
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Hell 4 years 4 weeks ago #92902

Another verse has come out to me. Rev. 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimestone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever." This seems to suggest hell burns forever. What are your thoughts on that?
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
Another verse has come out to me. Rev. 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimestone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever." This seems to suggest hell burns forever. What are your thoughts on that?
If I were you, I would look at the original Hebrew Bible. The KJV and most english translations don't quite translate correctly, especially since the translators had the mindset that people burned forever and ever
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Hell 4 years 2 weeks ago #92970

The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew.
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew.
Ahem... I knew that...
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LolingforJesus wrote:
ComeLetUsReason wrote:
The New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew.
Ahem... I knew that...

Me to
the Old Testament was written in Hebrew
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Hell 3 years 11 months ago #93196

But didn't Jesus talk about "unquenchable fire?" It is quite clear the fire is unquenchable. So, what about that?
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ComeLetUsReason wrote:
But didn't Jesus talk about "unquenchable fire?" It is quite clear the fire is unquenchable. So, what about that?
Unquenchable does not mean that it will neaver end, all it means is that no human can put it out and it is just going to keep on going untill everything is all burned up.

But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up on wings like eagles,
They will run and not grow weary,
They will walk and not faint.
Isaiah 40:31 :)
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Then does even God not have the power to extinguish it?
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horsegirl04 wrote:
ComeLetUsReason wrote:
But didn't Jesus talk about "unquenchable fire?" It is quite clear the fire is unquenchable. So, what about that?
Unquenchable does not mean that it will neaver end, all it means is that no human can put it out and it is just going to keep on going untill everything is all burned up.

Horsegirl is right. Unquenchable simply means it can't be put out. It doesn't mean it can't die down. A forest fire could just as easily be called unquenchable with just as much accuracy. :)

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emmy01 wrote:
horsegirl04 wrote:
ComeLetUsReason wrote:
But didn't Jesus talk about "unquenchable fire?" It is quite clear the fire is unquenchable. So, what about that?
Unquenchable does not mean that it will neaver end, all it means is that no human can put it out and it is just going to keep on going untill everything is all burned up.

Horsegirl is right. Unquenchable simply means it can't be put out. It doesn't mean it can't die down. A forest fire could just as easily be called unquenchable with just as much accuracy. :)
but then there’s Revelation 14:11 (I think that’s it)
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